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- ...e we need to think of a lot of things at once. Is it a titanium frame or a carbon frame or a steel frame?</blockquote> ...fell seven times in that race, including 13km from the finish when a small black dog called Gruson ran out in a bend and ran under his wheel. Hinault had be78 KB (12,215 words) - 17:28, 14 March 2009